Charlbury Community Workshop

Matthew Greenfield
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Mon 26 Sep, 17:51

Nice little article about community sheds/workshops:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/sep/26/the-people-making-a-difference-the-man-setting-up-woodworking-sheds-to-combat-loneliness

Lucy Overs
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Wed 21 Sep, 21:44

If you'd like to have any news on the project sent to you just let us know by clicking here. :)

Or copy and paste this link: https://mailchi.mp/16d78b918ac2/3ksq5kzwzt

We just need your email address but it would be really helpful to know what you'd be interested in using the workshop for, as Colin said, so I've included a section for that too. Thanks!

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Tue 20 Sep, 22:12

The plans for the Charlbury Community Workshop are progressing well, and our current thinking is to have, at least initially, one work space for fabric/materials and another work space for woodworking and other crafts. We were explaining our plans at Street Fair. Nearly 50 people signed up as they might use the new community workshop, or they just wanted to hear more about it. If you did not get the chance to speak to us at Street Fair and would like to hear more about our plans, please drop a line to info@charlburycommunitycentre.org.uk with your name, e-mail address and what you might be interested in. 

Well done and thank you Street Fair Committee.

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Thu 1 Sep, 09:56

Many thanks Alan any tools would be welcome. Hopefully next year we would be at the fitting out stage. 

With regards to 3D printing I was considering organising a couple of courses:- "Building a 3D printer" and "Simple 3D printing". I would also be interested in getting a stained glass course organised. We will have to see what the level of interest is.

 

Alan F Harrison
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Wed 31 Aug, 20:32

Thanks to Claire App for giving the link and the correct name for the project.

If woodwork is popular I for one can bring certain tools and possibly donate a few.

Mention of 3D printing is great and by the time it’s set up, I’ll think of something to be done.

Five years ago I saw the start of Men’s Shed in Ross-on-Wye with strong activity since within community projects.  Here 

That is not to suggest that Charlbury will be similar to Ross.

Best wishes 

Alan Harrison

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Fri 15 Jul, 18:45 (last edited on Fri 15 Jul, 18:46)

Hi Jane, we do not have any pricing at the moment only an idea that it will be self-sustaining with regards to the running costs. This may be covered by an annual membership, a session charge and special fund-raising projects. Personally I believe it needs to be very affordable  (sub £4) by most people. I do not want to guess any any figures at the moment so please be patient with me. I do know some of the yearly running cost we will need to cover will be insurance, heating, rubbish collection and power and internet so I would be surprised if that cost less than £1000 per year.

Jane Crane
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Thu 14 Jul, 22:51

Could I ask what the cost would be to an individual to participate in the use of this space per annum.

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Thu 14 Jul, 19:37 (last edited on Thu 14 Jul, 19:38)

Hi Kim, I may be able to look at the sewing machine mid August when I have some more time to work on repairs. I’m a bit hesitant as I expect it would need some specialised experience.

Hi Malcolm, I understand your aspirations for the workshop to be ambitious in scope, I will pass this on to the working group. I feel that the workshop doesn’t have to be fully equipped on day one and that it can evolve into what we need over time. It is a bit of a chicken and egg situation where users are drawn to facilities but facilities are defined by the users. The cheapest sintered metal printer I’ve seen is for 8K and that does not include all the extra waste, extraction and protective equipment required for it. The original concept for the workshop is not a maker space but more of a “persons in a shed” project to help people socially isolated and to provide basic workshop facilities :- soft-crafts, woodwork, small metal work, general electrics and basic electronics.

Malcolm Blackmore
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Thu 14 Jul, 13:01

Just a thought. I remember 16 years, 17 years ago, there was a community workshop discussion online here.

I remember telling people then, that a MIT “Fab Lab” cost $1million- delivered complete.

This was from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and was designed as a hub for developing economies as a seeding base for design and prototyping and startups etc. In a functional container you got CNC lathes, millers, early printers, you name it, everything to make a satellite launcher just needed power water and gas…

I wonder if Fab Labs are still available? And the capability of the 2022 computer controlled equipment and printers….?! Wonder what a $1m would get you now.

Anyway love to see something really ambitious  like this and might be the sort of thing that could attract investment money if an appropriate organisation structure was found.

Malcolm Blackmore
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Thu 14 Jul, 12:42 (last edited on Thu 14 Jul, 12:47)

I may not be the only person who would put up some sort of share capital, with or without a return of capital arrangement etc for some sort of community enterprise to finance more capital expensive items or systems. Like a scintered metal printer as many things plastic won’t do.

By now Make Spaces have been a quite vigorous movement in the English speaking world for well over a generation. We’ve been slow in the “Motherland “ to have many examples .

I think that “making” is a bit deeper in the cultures of Canada, where I spent childhood, to mention just one “colony”. English language world because I am, alas, only monolingual, and haven’t been back to Europe since extensive travel there in the 80s (in large part doing things like promoting the GLC Popular Planning polices and alternative plans for deindustrialising areas which included things like wide access facilities for design, prototyping and so on and on. 

The Europeans were totally baffled. All the best ideas in the world for responding to the environmental challenges and the challenges of broadening economy skills transmission and new skills- and innovative skills- and democratic inclusive types of organisations, a long list of creativity in the 70s and 80s.

They looked to Britain for ideas and models and thought we had everything sorted out, well much anyway. And all we were doing was just giving it all away to the rest of the world to use as a start point for their response to change whilst Government put more effort into stopping the things in Britain, things  that in parts of the Ruhrgebeit I was helping draw up proposals that were still being used last time I looked a decade ago.

Dare To Call It Treason…

Anyway the resources centre pioneering of 1975 or 1981 or whenever will be very old hat indeed by now and modern Make Spaces from here and abroad in the English speaking cultures must have much more relevant to say. Also can we break out of our monolingual zone and access things happening elsewhere?

Kim Sale
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Wed 13 Jul, 19:41

I do have a spare overlocker sewing machine that needs repairing as I tried to sew something that was far too thick. I would imagine it would cost around £80-100 to fix, maybe less. Someone in the community may be able to do it for nothing 🙂

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Tue 12 Jul, 18:34

Hi Liz, Graham, many thanks for the grants ideas I will pass them on to the CCW working group directly.

Hi Malcolm, for sewing machines we will have at least 3 which shall include a semi industrial Janome 1600p. With regards to 3D printers I will be bringing in my heavily modded Ender3 Pro and also a 3018 Max CNC router ( it can be fitted with a 5W laser but I think it is too much of a safety issue to do that). I know of the metallic dust printers which you mention but they are quite expensive, I’m thinking of a good quality 3D wax printer then we could do some investment casting with different types of metals ( assuming we have the right heat source).

Malcolm Blackmore
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Tue 12 Jul, 14:57 (last edited on Tue 12 Jul, 14:59)

Another case-in-point indicating the sort of tools the home workhierm (tring to coin a word, sort of joining up her and his him and them...hierm don't think is used in English anywhere else?) could not justify buying the tool even if have a shed/room/garage to set it up.

Case Study: We just bought and erected a cheap but "permanent" 3x4m Aluminum Gazebo with a sliding canopy to be a sunshade. We couldn't find one affordable that did spare/replacements for the cloth canopy or the clips for the runners that allow the sliding on the lateral small round poles on the upper frame.

The runner consist of a hook at one ende fror the cloth attachment, a round loop at the other that the round horizontal supporting poles slide through.

The clips seem to be made of a black, polythene like plastic. Whether they are UV sunlight proof material...? Who can say? But I bet that in not many years they will become friable and break.

Now if a workshop had a 3-D material printer for plastic - or even better, scintered or whatever metal! - then, voila, problem solved and runners replaced with no need to throw away a perfectly good aluminum structure.

Same goes for the cloth canopy when it fails - a tougher than domestic ((but by no means sailmakers!) sewing machine and a big clean worktop and again voila - replaced or neatly patched suncover.

Requires some money but decent 3D printers are now basically feasible in a budget would have thought.

Graham Wisker
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Mon 11 Jul, 08:00

Would you be able to apply for a grant from the Charlbury Beer Festival? 

Liz Reason
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Sun 10 Jul, 11:15

This sounds as if some financial support might be required.  Something that both the town council and Sustainable Charlbury might be willing to consider.

PAUL R JACKSON
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Sat 9 Jul, 12:55

Are there any planned meetings regards this project over the next few weeks or so  ??

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Fri 8 Jul, 13:51 (last edited on Fri 8 Jul, 13:52)

Hi Zoe, I've put an overlocker machine on the list though we would need to know what size of machine as there are mini size ones available.

Hi Kim, I've looked at the Janome 16000p and it could be a nice heavy duty compromise machine so have added to the list. Second hand one below 500 new above.

Hi Paul, your offer to help with skills transfer will gladly be accepted, this may also help in the initial stages of fitting out the workspace 

Hi Malcolm, sorry it has taken some time to get replies to you. I apologise. If you could be concise and summarise your ideas to me that would be helpful, I've taken on your comments on the work area and it does mean the difference between two or three workstations per room. 

Hi Grace, I have added the large cutting table to the list and I am now thinking that one half of the workstations/tables need to be in a clean environment with appropriate flooring. We may end up with a light crafts and heavy ( dirty ) crafts room with sliding doors between to contain dust and noise.

Zoe Burton
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Fri 8 Jul, 09:29

If there was the budget for an overlocker in addition to a sewing machine, that would be fantastic. I feel it’s a bit of kit that many amateur sewers would like to learn to use.

Kim Sale
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Fri 8 Jul, 07:53

For the average sewer a domestic machine like Stephen's Singer would be fine. Industrial machines are big and very powerful and possibly rather daunting to occasionally sewers. There is a semi industrial Janome 1600p which is strong yet portable and will sew leather. 

Malcolm Blackmore
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Thu 7 Jul, 23:24 (last edited on Thu 7 Jul, 23:25)

Another tuppence worth from bitter experience. FLOOR SPACE. If you think enough room to put a 8x4 sheet of material on the ground is enough and work around it .. err noooo.

Double it at least. Thats just for the guys. And then some dratted (woman) will come along to stitch up a stage backcloth or banner or some other infernal Womens' Work and need most of a sailmakers loft... A community project must serve everyone. Experience in the past of centres tends to ... devalue ... womens' work. Must be aware. The fems around the old, much lamented, GLC culture made that us uncomfortably aware of these thing.

Trust me in this.

You need Floor space.

Malcolm Blackmore
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Thu 7 Jul, 23:14

The sort of heavy material sewing machine for sailmaking canvass and leather is NOT your average Singer! Our experience in previous resource centres involved in was there was an untapped need for "soft and bendy" materials working and "us" men had to scramble to catch up with the distaff genders' needs - which "we" had not thought of. "Mens" tools mentality as I put it as we put in a sizeable grant for things for dosh to the GLC etc we'd vaguely - or never - heard of; and hunts along the stalls of old handtools in Brick Lane ensued.

Let this be a warning to you.

Harriet Baldwin
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Thu 7 Jul, 22:28

It depends on the brand. You can get generics for some machines, it'd be a question of checking whether it fitted the model - should have a list on the packaging of models it fits. 

PAUL R JACKSON
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Thu 7 Jul, 21:32

This is a great idea and project, I also believe if possible the workshop would benefit from being as big as possible, I have worked in woodworking workshops over 30 years space is so important. Storage for the range of activities would soon add up. I would be happy to pass on what past experience I have in shed making. 

John Dora
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Thu 7 Jul, 20:17

Could it stretch to 28' or 30' on one dimension?

Grace Cahill
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Thu 7 Jul, 20:14

This sounds wonderful! A space with a large table to cut fabric on for dressmaking, curtains and blinds would be amazing and something that most people don’t have room for in their own homes. 

Malcolm Blackmore
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Thu 7 Jul, 20:10

And not just any old sewing machine. Something as well that would be capable of punching through leather, sailcloth, bag canvass, so forth.

I emailed you lot over a month ago about this workshop and never got a reply. I've been centrally involved in setting up community toolbanks and resource centres in Brighton and London. 40 years ago now but must be something still of use nowadays?

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Thu 7 Jul, 19:09

Hi Harriet, I will put a "walking foot" on to the equipment list and follow up with Stephen about the Singer sewing machine. Is a walking foot a generic add on, or are they specific to each machine?

stephen cavell
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Thu 7 Jul, 08:27

Colin/Harriet - I have a brand new Singer sewing machine , never been used that could be useful to you.

stephen.cavell@yahoo.co.uk    tel 811504

Harriet Baldwin
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Thu 7 Jul, 07:35

If you get a sewing machine, can you get a walking foot for handwoven fabric pls

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Wed 6 Jul, 18:52

Hi Claire,

I think a sewing machine and associated equipment and thread would be a must, as we want to encourage folk to repair and make clothing too. 

Hi Hans, many thanks and welcome aboard.

Claire Wilding
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Tue 5 Jul, 21:42

It would be great to have a sewing machine for shared use (not sure if needlecraft includes that?)

Hans Eriksson
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Tue 5 Jul, 20:32

Hi Colin. I think you've covered it, well done. Love to be involved. 

Colin Critch
(site admin)
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Tue 5 Jul, 20:17

The working group for the proposed Charlbury Community Workshop (CCW) is calling for ideas about this new project. The current proposal is for a workshop area of 20 foot by 16 foot, which would provide several work areas with benches and various tools. The initial start-up grant would fund the initial building, power, equipment, furniture and insurance. The CCW would be opened on prearranged mornings and afternoons, where supervision would be arranged, and there would be a small fee for each session booked. In the long term the facility needs to be self-funding e.g. from a mixture of yearly membership fees, session fees, and special fund-raising events.

The purpose of the CCW would be to provide an affordable facility for repairing, making and training in a variety of practical crafts such as woodworking, needlecraft, electrical/electronic repairs, 3D printing, stained glass, and upholstery. If there other suggestions for potential activities or facilities or you would just like to be involved then please respond here or email info@charlburycommunitycentre.org.uk

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